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Re: Analog_Bridge + HBLink audio screech

G7RPG - Peter Kendall
 

Hi Steve,

I've repeated the test without ysf2dmr connected to the hb_bridge_all
and it does exactly the same.

Peter

On 25/04/18 00:13, Steve N4IRS wrote:
Waht happens if you remove ysf2dmr?

On 04/24/2018 07:10 PM, G7RPG - Peter Kendall wrote:
Hi Steve,

Thanks for taking to time to have a look, see attached.

Peter


On 24/04/18 23:36, Steve N4IRS wrote:
Peter,
Can you give us a simple diagram of what you are doing?

On 04/24/2018 06:11 PM, G7RPG - Peter Kendall wrote:
Just a shot a little video that I hope shows the effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVn3OyDP_w


73
Peter
G7RPG


On 24/04/18 15:34, G7RPG - Peter Kendall wrote:
Hi All,

I've been linking my asl node to BM direct using Analog_Bridge and
HBlink-HB_Bridge, this has been working perfectly.

I'm trying to use a another instance of HBlink to create a local
proxy
for HBlink-HB_Bridge, YSF2DMR and an mmdvm_hs, its working fine apart
from a very loud audio screech being heard at the end of every
transmission coming from ASL on DMR.

Any suggestions?

73
Peter









Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

Ok, Im getting this now. Tried both ports.. Does the repeater need any special licensing for this?

INFO 2018-04-25 22:38:33,809 (XPR8300) Registering with the Master: 10.1.100.10:55001
INFO 2018-04-25 22:38:38,809 (XPR8300) Registering with the Master: 10.1.100.10:55001



From: Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

Did you actually read any of the comments in the sample file or just set almost everything to true?


On Apr 25, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Hey all,

Here is my config, It wont seem to connect to the master repeater...

[XPR8300]
# XPR8300 Repeater
ENABLED: True
RADIO_ID: 113647
IP:
PORT: 55001
ALIVE_TIMER: 5
MAX_MISSED: 20
PEER_OPER: True
IPSC_MODE: DIGITAL
TS1_LINK: True
TS2_LINK: True
CSBK_CALL: False
RCM: True
CON_APP: True
XNL_CALL: True
XNL_MASTER: True
DATA_CALL: True
VOICE_CALL: True
MASTER_PEER: True
GROUP_HANGTIME: 5
AUTH_ENABLED: True
AUTH_KEY: 17164787710
MASTER_IP: 10.1.100.10
MASTER_PORT: 55000

And the repeater:

Mode: Master
AuthenticationKey: 17164787710
Master UDP port: 55000
UDP port: 55001




From: Peter M0NWI <peter-martin@...>
To: "main@DVSwitch.groups.io" <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?


LOL!  I think giving the world an open source IPSC stack is pretty good start Cort!

Sent from Outlook
From: main@DVSwitch.groups.io <main@DVSwitch.groups.io> on behalf of Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
Sent: 25 April 2018 20:18:47
To: main@DVSwitch.groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?
 
Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

There's a sample file? LOL


From: Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

Did you actually read any of the comments in the sample file or just set almost everything to true?


On Apr 25, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Hey all,

Here is my config, It wont seem to connect to the master repeater...

[XPR8300]
# XPR8300 Repeater
ENABLED: True
RADIO_ID: 113647
IP:
PORT: 55001
ALIVE_TIMER: 5
MAX_MISSED: 20
PEER_OPER: True
IPSC_MODE: DIGITAL
TS1_LINK: True
TS2_LINK: True
CSBK_CALL: False
RCM: True
CON_APP: True
XNL_CALL: True
XNL_MASTER: True
DATA_CALL: True
VOICE_CALL: True
MASTER_PEER: True
GROUP_HANGTIME: 5
AUTH_ENABLED: True
AUTH_KEY: 17164787710
MASTER_IP: 10.1.100.10
MASTER_PORT: 55000

And the repeater:

Mode: Master
AuthenticationKey: 17164787710
Master UDP port: 55000
UDP port: 55001




From: Peter M0NWI <peter-martin@...>
To: "main@DVSwitch.groups.io" <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?


LOL!  I think giving the world an open source IPSC stack is pretty good start Cort!

Sent from Outlook
From: main@DVSwitch.groups.io <main@DVSwitch.groups.io> on behalf of Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
Sent: 25 April 2018 20:18:47
To: main@DVSwitch.groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?
 
Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
 

Did you actually read any of the comments in the sample file or just set almost everything to true?


On Apr 25, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Hey all,

Here is my config, It wont seem to connect to the master repeater...

[XPR8300]
# XPR8300 Repeater
ENABLED: True
RADIO_ID: 113647
IP:
PORT: 55001
ALIVE_TIMER: 5
MAX_MISSED: 20
PEER_OPER: True
IPSC_MODE: DIGITAL
TS1_LINK: True
TS2_LINK: True
CSBK_CALL: False
RCM: True
CON_APP: True
XNL_CALL: True
XNL_MASTER: True
DATA_CALL: True
VOICE_CALL: True
MASTER_PEER: True
GROUP_HANGTIME: 5
AUTH_ENABLED: True
AUTH_KEY: 17164787710
MASTER_IP: 10.1.100.10
MASTER_PORT: 55000

And the repeater:

Mode: Master
AuthenticationKey: 17164787710
Master UDP port: 55000
UDP port: 55001




From: Peter M0NWI <peter-martin@...>
To: "main@DVSwitch.groups.io" <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?


LOL!  I think giving the world an open source IPSC stack is pretty good start Cort!

Sent from Outlook
From: main@DVSwitch.groups.io <main@DVSwitch.groups.io> on behalf of Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
Sent: 25 April 2018 20:18:47
To: main@DVSwitch.groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?
 
Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

Hey all,

Here is my config, It wont seem to connect to the master repeater...

[XPR8300]
# XPR8300 Repeater
ENABLED: True
RADIO_ID: 113647
IP:
PORT: 55001
ALIVE_TIMER: 5
MAX_MISSED: 20
PEER_OPER: True
IPSC_MODE: DIGITAL
TS1_LINK: True
TS2_LINK: True
CSBK_CALL: False
RCM: True
CON_APP: True
XNL_CALL: True
XNL_MASTER: True
DATA_CALL: True
VOICE_CALL: True
MASTER_PEER: True
GROUP_HANGTIME: 5
AUTH_ENABLED: True
AUTH_KEY: 17164787710
MASTER_IP: 10.1.100.10
MASTER_PORT: 55000

And the repeater:

Mode: Master
AuthenticationKey: 17164787710
Master UDP port: 55000
UDP port: 55001




From: Peter M0NWI <peter-martin@...>
To: "main@DVSwitch.groups.io" <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?


LOL!  I think giving the world an open source IPSC stack is pretty good start Cort!

Sent from Outlook
From: main@DVSwitch.groups.io <main@DVSwitch.groups.io> on behalf of Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
Sent: 25 April 2018 20:18:47
To: main@DVSwitch.groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?
 
Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Peter M0NWI
 


LOL!  I think giving the world an open source IPSC stack is pretty good start Cort!

Sent from Outlook
From: main@DVSwitch.groups.io <main@DVSwitch.groups.io> on behalf of Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
Sent: 25 April 2018 20:18:47
To: main@DVSwitch.groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?
 
Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

ahhh..


From: Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

I guess I should be a little easier on myself… I’ve seen no support for IPv6 in IPSC or HBP… so technically, enabling it would be violating the protocol specifications.

On Apr 25, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...> wrote:

Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

LOL.

We'll were all IPv6 around here..lol SO get on that will ya! ;)


From: Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
 

I guess I should be a little easier on myself… I’ve seen no support for IPv6 in IPSC or HBP… so technically, enabling it would be violating the protocol specifications.

On Apr 25, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...> wrote:

Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Cort N0MJS <n0mjs@...>
 

Not at this time… which is pretty embarrassing given my day job and my work to try and get the US to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and adopt v6.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?

Cort Buffington
785-865-7206


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

Also do these scripts support IPv6 or no?


Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

Ok,

Last question..

1. Is there a way to keep TG's from going out to BM for example TG1, TG2? and just keep them local only between the connected repeaters?

Corey knows this one lol...


From: Corey Dean N3FE <n3fe@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

If you look at the config file it can be setup either way, but do not define both.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

right but isnt dmrlink the only IPSC client?

Isnt my repeater a IPSC server essentially?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

I got it..

I didnt realize that the bridges run background programs..

Seems to be working now... Thanks all!!!!


From: Corey Dean N3FE <n3fe@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

If you look at the config file it can be setup either way, but do not define both.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

right but isnt dmrlink the only IPSC client?

Isnt my repeater a IPSC server essentially?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Corey Dean N3FE <n3fe@...>
 

If you look at the config file it can be setup either way, but do not define both.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Jamie R. Cid <jay@...> wrote:

right but isnt dmrlink the only IPSC client?

Isnt my repeater a IPSC server essentially?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

I think i see it. IPSC_Bridge runs DMRlink and in DMRLink.cfg is my IPSC CLient entry to the repeater....


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

right but isnt dmrlink the only IPSC client?

Isnt my repeater a IPSC server essentially?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Steve N4IRS
 

IPSC_Bridge and HB_Bridge use UDP to talk to each other.
look at HB_Bridge.cfg and IPSC_Bridge.cfg


On 4/25/2018 11:45 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?




Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

i see outToUDP = True but no destination...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?



Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Jamie R. Cid <jay@...>
 

I sont see anything in IPSC_Bridge.cfg about connecting to a repeater...


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?



Re: IPSC to IPSC question?

Steve N4IRS
 

BM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> Repeater (Master)

On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
dmrlink?


From: Steve N4IRS <szingman@...>
To: <main@DVSwitch.groups.io>
Sent: 4/25/2018 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] IPSC to IPSC question?

hblink can not connect to your master repeater.

On 4/25/2018 11:37 AM, Jamie R. Cid wrote:
Do i need to define a new hblink somehow as a client to connec to the master repeater?


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