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Re: HBlink to XLX

Peter M0NWI
 

David,


Add IPSC_Bridge into the mix too, which will connect to BM, DMR+ or MARC repeaters.


73,

Peter



From: DVSwitch@groups.io <DVSwitch@groups.io> on behalf of david bencini ik5xmk <ik5xmk@...>
Sent: 16 December 2017 10:34
To: DVSwitch@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DVSwitch] HBlink to XLX
 
OK it sounds good !!

I will try ! But, to connect hblink world to IPSC DMR+ what it it the right way ? (interlink, CC-CC, ...)?

Thank you very much

David


Re: HBlink to XLX

david bencini ik5xmk
 

OK it sounds good !!

I will try ! But, to connect hblink world to IPSC DMR+ what it it the right way ? (interlink, CC-CC, ...)?

Thank you very much

David


Re: HBlink to XLX

Steve N4IRS
 

David,
There is no software package called D-Star_Bridge at this time. There is a way to connect a D-Star reflector to HB. It will look like this:
HB_Bridge <---> Analog_Bridge <--->DummyRepeater <---> ircDDBGateway.
You will need 2 Vocoders, one for Analog_Bridge and one for DummyRepeater. This is a modified version of DummyRepeater.
Analog_Bridge is at <https://github.com/N4IRS/Analog_Bridge> There is a subdirectory called DummyRepeater and the file called notes.txt
You will be replacing one file in the dummyrepeater source tree and compiling.

73, Steve N4IRS

On 12/15/2017 04:35 PM, david bencini ik5xmk wrote:
Hi, 

i read about a software called DStar_Bridge or something like this to connect ircDDBGateway to HBlink.
This is a very important solution !
Can anyone tell me if something has been done? If, even in a preliminary version, it is possible to do some tests...

Thank you
73 David IK5XMK


Re: HBlink to XLX

JJ Cummings
 

Check out Analog_Bridge, I think you’ll find what you are looking for :)

Sent from the iRoad

On Dec 15, 2017, at 14:35, david bencini ik5xmk <ik5xmk@...> wrote:

Hi, 

i read about a software called DStar_Bridge or something like this to connect ircDDBGateway to HBlink.
This is a very important solution !
Can anyone tell me if something has been done? If, even in a preliminary version, it is possible to do some tests...

Thank you
73 David IK5XMK


Re: HBlink to XLX

david bencini ik5xmk
 

Hi, 

i read about a software called DStar_Bridge or something like this to connect ircDDBGateway to HBlink.
This is a very important solution !
Can anyone tell me if something has been done? If, even in a preliminary version, it is possible to do some tests...

Thank you
73 David IK5XMK


Re: HBlink and DMRlink in "production"

JJ Cummings
 

Nicola,

All of the scripts that you use can be on the same raspberry pi, the key is that you need to select unique source and destination ports for all of the MASTER, PEER and HB_Bridge/IPSC_Bridge sets that you use.

JJC
N0PKT

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Nicola IT9FXF via Groups.Io <onetechct@...> wrote:
Hello Steve, can I use HBLink in same raspberry master repeater and connect others repeaters clients together?
I start now my experiment ))
Nicola



Re: HBlink and DMRlink in "production"

Steve N4IRS
 

It really does not matter. When you run the install.sh script for dmr_utils, it installs the modules in the proper directory. You can put HBlink whereever you want.

Steve

On 12/15/2017 2:47 PM, Nicola IT9FXF via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Steve, I have received a new raspberry and installed the dmr_utils
Hblink work in same directory of dmr_utils or is better create a new one ?


Nicola



Re: HBlink and DMRlink in "production"

Dylan KI7SBI
 

You may wish to use this script to clone from github and install everything for you.




---
Dylan Ambauen
360-850-1200

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Nicola IT9FXF via Groups.Io <onetechct@...> wrote:

Hello Steve, I have received a new raspberry and installed the dmr_utils
Hblink work in same directory of dmr_utils or is better create a new one ?


Nicola



Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Steve N4IRS
 

Understood,
Most people that want to use one will purchase it from somewhere. When they are available we will add support.

Steve N4IRS

On 12/15/2017 10:45 AM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
Note, the design is available for anyone to build. The Kickstarter is designed to make prebuilt units available to more people. 

On Dec 15, 2017 06:49, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@...> wrote:
DVSwitch will provide a replacement for AMBEServer that will support the new open source board (when available) along with improved support for for other hardware and software Vocoders.
All the current and future DVSwitch tools will support Vocoders from multiple vendors.

73, Steve N4IRS 


Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

 

Note, the design is available for anyone to build. The Kickstarter is designed to make prebuilt units available to more people. 

On Dec 15, 2017 06:49, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@...> wrote:
DVSwitch will provide a replacement for AMBEServer that will support the new open source board (when available) along with improved support for for other hardware and software Vocoders.
All the current and future DVSwitch tools will support Vocoders from multiple vendors.

73, Steve N4IRS 


Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Steve N4IRS
 

DVSwitch will provide a replacement for AMBEServer that will support the new open source board (when available) along with improved support for for other hardware and software Vocoders.
All the current and future DVSwitch tools will support Vocoders from multiple vendors.

73, Steve N4IRS 


Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Matthew 2E0SIP
 

My understanding is this (I could be wrong) -

* All current AMBE implementations are in software. They will sell you a chip with the software on it, but it's not custom silicone, it's just a micro-controller.
* DVSI will sell you a software license, but minimum order is prohibitive (Tens of thousands as I understand it)
* DVSI will sell end users chips, but minimum order is 10, and shipping is expensive. 
* Efforts have been made to reverse engineer the protocol, but as far as I know its only possible to decode AMBE using standalone software, using publicly available software at least.
* There is an emulator out there that will transcode / decode AMBE suitable for DMR use, but not the other modes.
* The board offered in the kickstarter is using 2x DVSI AMBE 3003 chips to offer the 6 channels.

I think funding the project is the best way to get an open source, 'standardised', multi channel decoder for digital amateur radio at sensible prices.


HBlink to XLX

david bencini ik5xmk
 

Hi Guys,

no news about the possibility to link an XLX DStar reflector (mmdvm homebrew protocol) with HBlink ?

Thank you.

73, David IK5XMK


Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Steve, KB9MWR
 

Dylan,
The kickstarter is just the commercial production of a design and layout by LX3JL. And it uses the DVSI AMBE-3003 chip.
https://github.com/LX3JL/usb-3006

As for doing it in software, that has already been done (google AMBE Exposed). But there are a number of folks worried about patents.


Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Eric N0NKI
 

Yup, it's on a chip and you could try and design your own if you wanted to... I'm fairly certain you'll find one of these codec chips on the PCB.
http://www.dvsinc.com/corporate/price.shtml


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Dylan Ambauen <dylan@...> wrote:
My understanding is that implementations of AMBE require a license, and most/all? of the implementations are in hardware. If you want to make a vocoder you buy a chip manufactured under a license. If that is true, even SDR radios would require a hardware AMBE vocoder, not certain. Perhaps the algorithm could be reverse engineered... but a compression algorithm is different than sniffing a network protocol. 

Perhaps PNW Digital purchased their own AMBE license, to make their own high-quality hardware.




---
Dylan Ambauen
360-850-1200

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Steve KB9MWR via Groups.Io <kb9mwr@...> wrote:
Figured this might be of interest to some on this group.

Bryan Fields does bring up a valid point on the allstar-digital mailing list;
"I'm wondering, why not fund the development of Free Software that would do
this on the host CPU?"

------------- Forwarded Message -------------
6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started
John D. Hays john at hays.org
Thu Dec 14 13:04:16 EST 2017

I am pleased to announce the launch of a Kickstarter for a 6 Channel USB
AMBE device
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy>
which is compatible with the XLX Reflector System.  The XLX system creates
reflectors for the DCS, DExtra, and DPLUS systems and also supports
integration with DMR.

To transcode AMBE+ (D-STAR) and AMBE+2 (DMR/YSF/dPMR/NXDN/P25-Phase 2/...)
requires a hardware solution.  This can be accomplished using pairs of
ThumbDVs or other USB based AMBE-3000 devices.

Reflector systems may have multiple reflectors (A-Z) that require
transcoding simultaneously, which requires multiple streams available and
that is where the XCode-3006 comes to the rescue.

The folks behind the XLX system designed a board that can provide up to 6
streams on a single USB port and it is in operation now at XLX950
(XRF950/DCS950/...) which is using the board to cross connect with DMR.

NW Digital Radio is running a Kickstarter to fund an initial build of 50 of
these units. 50 units is the minimum production run in order to keep costs
down.

This is where you can help:

If you run a reflector, you can obtain a XCode-3006 via a pledge on the
Kickstarter at one of two levels.

If you use a reflector, you can help the operator of that reflector by
helping them obtain a XCode-3006 via the kickstarter.

If you just like the idea of a six channel AMBE transcoder, and want to
help out, there are pledge levels for supporters like you.

This can only happen if we meet the funding goal set for the Kickstarter,
and we only have 30 days to reach it.

Having this board available opens the opportunity for other projects such
as:

Analog <--> DV Gateways (eg. Allstar, Echolink, ... to your favorite DV
system)
DV --> Analog Streaming for online monitoring of DV systems
...

The link to the Kickstarter is:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy

------------------------------
John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE






Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Dylan KI7SBI
 

My understanding is that implementations of AMBE require a license, and most/all? of the implementations are in hardware. If you want to make a vocoder you buy a chip manufactured under a license. If that is true, even SDR radios would require a hardware AMBE vocoder, not certain. Perhaps the algorithm could be reverse engineered... but a compression algorithm is different than sniffing a network protocol. 

Perhaps PNW Digital purchased their own AMBE license, to make their own high-quality hardware.




---
Dylan Ambauen
360-850-1200

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Steve KB9MWR via Groups.Io <kb9mwr@...> wrote:
Figured this might be of interest to some on this group.

Bryan Fields does bring up a valid point on the allstar-digital mailing list;
"I'm wondering, why not fund the development of Free Software that would do
this on the host CPU?"

------------- Forwarded Message -------------
6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started
John D. Hays john at hays.org
Thu Dec 14 13:04:16 EST 2017

I am pleased to announce the launch of a Kickstarter for a 6 Channel USB
AMBE device
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy>
which is compatible with the XLX Reflector System.  The XLX system creates
reflectors for the DCS, DExtra, and DPLUS systems and also supports
integration with DMR.

To transcode AMBE+ (D-STAR) and AMBE+2 (DMR/YSF/dPMR/NXDN/P25-Phase 2/...)
requires a hardware solution.  This can be accomplished using pairs of
ThumbDVs or other USB based AMBE-3000 devices.

Reflector systems may have multiple reflectors (A-Z) that require
transcoding simultaneously, which requires multiple streams available and
that is where the XCode-3006 comes to the rescue.

The folks behind the XLX system designed a board that can provide up to 6
streams on a single USB port and it is in operation now at XLX950
(XRF950/DCS950/...) which is using the board to cross connect with DMR.

NW Digital Radio is running a Kickstarter to fund an initial build of 50 of
these units. 50 units is the minimum production run in order to keep costs
down.

This is where you can help:

If you run a reflector, you can obtain a XCode-3006 via a pledge on the
Kickstarter at one of two levels.

If you use a reflector, you can help the operator of that reflector by
helping them obtain a XCode-3006 via the kickstarter.

If you just like the idea of a six channel AMBE transcoder, and want to
help out, there are pledge levels for supporters like you.

This can only happen if we meet the funding goal set for the Kickstarter,
and we only have 30 days to reach it.

Having this board available opens the opportunity for other projects such
as:

Analog <--> DV Gateways (eg. Allstar, Echolink, ... to your favorite DV
system)
DV --> Analog Streaming for online monitoring of DV systems
...

The link to the Kickstarter is:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy

------------------------------
John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE





Re: (fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Steve N4IRS
 

We saw that. Should work with our existing bridges. 

Steve N4IRS


(fwd) 6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started

Steve, KB9MWR
 

Figured this might be of interest to some on this group.

Bryan Fields does bring up a valid point on the allstar-digital mailing list;
"I'm wondering, why not fund the development of Free Software that would do
this on the host CPU?"

------------- Forwarded Message -------------
6 Channel USB AMBE Transcoder Kickstarter Has Started
John D. Hays john at hays.org
Thu Dec 14 13:04:16 EST 2017

I am pleased to announce the launch of a Kickstarter for a 6 Channel USB
AMBE device
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy>
which is compatible with the XLX Reflector System. The XLX system creates
reflectors for the DCS, DExtra, and DPLUS systems and also supports
integration with DMR.

To transcode AMBE+ (D-STAR) and AMBE+2 (DMR/YSF/dPMR/NXDN/P25-Phase 2/...)
requires a hardware solution. This can be accomplished using pairs of
ThumbDVs or other USB based AMBE-3000 devices.

Reflector systems may have multiple reflectors (A-Z) that require
transcoding simultaneously, which requires multiple streams available and
that is where the XCode-3006 comes to the rescue.

The folks behind the XLX system designed a board that can provide up to 6
streams on a single USB port and it is in operation now at XLX950
(XRF950/DCS950/...) which is using the board to cross connect with DMR.

NW Digital Radio is running a Kickstarter to fund an initial build of 50 of
these units. 50 units is the minimum production run in order to keep costs
down.

This is where you can help:

If you run a reflector, you can obtain a XCode-3006 via a pledge on the
Kickstarter at one of two levels.

If you use a reflector, you can help the operator of that reflector by
helping them obtain a XCode-3006 via the kickstarter.

If you just like the idea of a six channel AMBE transcoder, and want to
help out, there are pledge levels for supporters like you.

This can only happen if we meet the funding goal set for the Kickstarter,
and we only have 30 days to reach it.

Having this board available opens the opportunity for other projects such
as:

Analog <--> DV Gateways (eg. Allstar, Echolink, ... to your favorite DV
system)
DV --> Analog Streaming for online monitoring of DV systems
...

The link to the Kickstarter is:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985312845/6-channel-usb-ambe-transcoder-for-digital-voice-sy

------------------------------
John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE


Re: HBlink and DMRlink in "production"

Dylan KI7SBI
 

The MMDVM <---> HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge <---> XPS/cBridge pattern is quite useful. Thanks fellas.

I've published a Dockerfile to help Mike NO7RF quickly build [HB_Bridge <---> IPSC_Bridge] into a Docker image. Makes it very easy to run multiple instances, version settings for testing, start/stop both at once, etc. 

Should be called MMDVMDocker. 

Docker is supposed to be cross-platform, so this might be a windows solution. Docker is amazing enough. If it works on windows too, let us know.


Re: HBlink and DMRlink in "production"

JJ Cummings
 

This is incorrect, there is infact no such thing.  As I had said earlier you want the HB_Bridge branch of HBlink.

Sent from the iRoad

On Dec 12, 2017, at 16:30, Corey Dean N3FE <n3fe@...> wrote:

You will want HBBidge and not hblink.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 12, 2017, at 6:28 PM, stevecast2024@... wrote:

Sounds good.. so I will be running hblink to connect to the MMDVM Repeater connect hblink to ipscbridge which in turn connects to the XPR.

On another note... is there any PTT, or console type capabilities with any of these platforms?

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